Galeck says: drizzt can definitely attest to that, this month
Unk says: If only you could see everything I'd planned....
Galeck grins.
Xnvren says: well, the lorelei quest was pretty seperated, ONCE you found
it
Galeck nods.
Galeck says: so are you against putting up the number of people who have
solved a particular quest, Unk? or anyone else?
Xnvren says: I actually found the "stuff" for the dragon quest by accident,
it must have been only the second time I'd been in Unks area
Xnvren says: just wanted to say that
Xnvren throws his head back and cackles.
Galeck grins at Xnvren.
Heraclitus says: whats the topicseconds xnvren
Galeck grins at Heraclitus.
Xnvren says: topicseconds ?
Galeck says: the topic is the quest ratings system
Unk says: Whether we should add extra information.
Galeck nods.
Galeck says: to indicate 'fun' of the quest
Galeck says: I'm partially afraid of hurting some wizards' feelings
Freya says: I think I'm in favor of it, but only if we make sure we give an
explanation of what the info means
Freya shrugs.
Galeck says: to be honest
Emrys says: ratings for thinking involved, overall quality, number of
people that have done it, etc
Heraclitus says: sorry my daughter is experiencing  a school "project"
there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth at my house, i was
distracted...
Xnvren says: well any maxed out players is not going to care about the
"fighting part" to much
Galeck throws his head back and cackles.
Xnvren says: as far as the stars go
Galeck nods at Xnvren.
Emrys says: hurting their feelings if no one does their quest?
Galeck says: no, about the ratings and such
Unk says: Or if we say it's crap?
Galeck nods at Unk.
Galeck says: or if they get nailed because people don't like THEM, not the
quest
Unk says: Also, hmm, how do you even give a rating for, say, boggle?
Xnvren says: and alot of the time you can count on a quest being easy if it
DOES have lots of stars
Galeck grins at Unk.
Xnvren says: well, most of them
Galeck says: it's not fun
Galeck says: there
Xnvren says: i.e. swordmasters
Freya says: high on puzzle solving, low on killing, high on tedium?
Unk says: I think it's great fun.
Xnvren says: or raistlins for that matter, it doesnt even get hard until
the end
Unk says: Boggle, that is. :-)
Emrys says: I think it's info players have a right to have open access to.
Emrys says: I think we'd have a group that was the ones rating it, re:
people not likgin a wizard.
Galeck says: I'm not against the idea, I like it, I'm just sharing my
concerns :)
Unk nods.
Emrys says: of the people that actually do enjoy questing a lot
Unk says: Experienced quest solvers would have to go for it.
Baldur arrives.
Galeck smiles at Baldur.
Baldur hehs.
Baldur waves and boggles at the concept.
Xnvren grins.
Unk says: Not sure I count as that any more.
Galeck says: we're meeting regarding quest rating, Baldur
Unk says: Another query: what about quests that get changed--should they be
rerated?
Baldur goes 'ah'.
Baldur exclaims "D'oh!".
Galeck says: if you care to join us
Baldur says: forgot :(
Xnvren hmms.
Galeck says: I'd say so
Galeck says: rerating would be necessary, imho
Galeck says: I like Menlora's a lot more now
Xnvren gasps.
Galeck says: and I liked it before
Xnvren says: oh crud, did yall change it ?
Xnvren fumes.
Galeck grins at Xnvren.
Freya says: yep
Xnvren falls down and plays dead.
Freya says: it's slightly different
Emrys says: unrating them would make some sense but then your group of
experienced questers who have all already done the old one can't really
rate the new one
Xnvren says: I -just- refigured the thing out
Unk says: Quest drpve ,e i[ the wa;;/
Unk grins.
Unk says: Oops.
Unk says: Quest drove me up the wall, I was trying to say.
Xnvren hehs.
Galeck throws his head back and cackles.
Galeck says: I was sitting here trying to decipher that one, Unk
Xnvren says: put that McEwans down, Unk
Galeck says: scary
Emrys says: At least we know Unk isn't a hunt and peck typist.
Xnvren says: how about the number of players from each guild that have done
it?
Galeck oohs.
Freya says: hrm...I think that could potentially give away too much info
Xnvren says: say I'm on as zolt, there is nothing more infuriating than
finding out there is a dragon I have to kill mid-way through
Unk says: If I typed that slow, could I code?
Unk grins.
An antique telephone suddenly appears.
The phone rings.
Mouse arrives.
Mouse suddenly disappears.
Xnvren leaves north.
The phone suddenly disappears!
Unk says: Um.
Unk ponders the situation.
Xnvren arrives.
Xnvren boggles at the concept.
Xnvren leaves north.
Unk says: That's meant to be a dragon guild limitation, Xnvren.
Mouse arrives.
Mouse bows before Heraclitus, Baldur, Emrys, Shamgar, you, Unk and Galeck.
Unk says: Oh. He's gone.
Freya waves at Mouse.
Galeck grins at Mouse.
Unk smiles at Mouse.
Emrys puts a waffle on Mouse's head!
Galeck says: glad you could make it mouse
Mouse says: sorry i'm late
Galeck says: I explained that you'd be late
Mouse says: thank yo u:-)
Galeck says: topics on the floor right now:
Galeck says: number of people that have solved the quest
Galeck says: ratings 1-10
Galeck says: puzzle solving in the quest
Galeck says: and who does the rating
Galeck says: did I miss anything?
Baldur boggles at the concept.
Galeck says: re: rerating, I think it'd be the same as a new quest opening
up
Galeck says: the players can't rate it until they've tried/solved it
Mouse nods.
Galeck says: of course, it makes it tough to solve if you already have :)
Emrys says: that's my point
Heraclitus says: if its a diff quest and needs to be rerated, then why not
let people "solve it" again?
Galeck says: that's what I was just going to ask
Galeck says: perhaps it should be counted as a 'new' quest
Emrys says: because there's a lot of variance in the level of change
Galeck says: but, in the case of Freya's rewrite...
Galeck nods.
Galeck says: that was my point
Galeck grins.
Galeck grins at Emrys.
Galeck says: ok... let's take one at a time
Xnvren arrives.
Heraclitus says: i have no opinion really, i was just curious...
Unk says: I'm sorry guys, but I think I'm too tired really to discuss
coherently.
Freya says: do we all think having a panel of players doing the ratings is the
way to do it?
Galeck says: in order to answer the other questions...
Xnvren says: my idea get shot down?
Xnvren hehs.
Emrys says: players players or players and seconds?
Galeck says: we need to determine WHO is going to do ratings... which is
what Freya just said
Baldur says: couldn't you have an option, for every quest, to let people
reset their status for that quest (so they loose the quest points for that
quest, and have to solve it again)?
Unk says: I'll see you all afterwards.
Xnvren says: does this all mean we still can't give out quest info ?
Unk waves.
Galeck waves at Unk.
Heraclitus says: bye unk
Xnvren waves at Unk.
Emrys says: you could, but quest point inflation/deflation matters a lot
there
Unk left the game.
Xnvren throws his head back and cackles.
Xnvren snaps his fingers.
Galeck nods at Emrys.
Shamgar snickers.
Galeck says: but if the quest increases in value, isn't it usually
retroactive?
Emrys says: yeah
Galeck says: I know Kiz's and Unk's were when they were bumped to 60
Galeck says: so the only thing a player could do was hurt themselves
Emrys says: and who wants to do that :)
Galeck says: really couldn't help themselves by doing that
Mouse hehs.
Xnvren says: kiz changed his quest a little
Duo shouts: will anyone kill with poor duo today?
Galeck says: players on a committee to rate quests
Galeck says: I would do it
Xnvren says: I tried to do it again for the 50,000th time last night
Emrys says: regardless there would prolly be some way to let them look over
the changes formally
Emrys shrugs.
Galeck says: if it didn't HURRT me
Galeck nods at Emrys.
Galeck says: is that what you were doing in there?
Galeck grins.
Xnvren hehs.
Shamgar says: why not just decay the popularity score over time?
Shamgar says: if it was popular and changes go in and people stop doing it
eventually the score woudl reflect it.
Shamgar shrugs.
Galeck says: it sounds like most of us are in favor of a committee of
questers to rate these?
Shamgar hrms.
Galeck says: rather than just anyone?
Emrys says: i'd anticipate the group ranking them would probably be rather
static
Shamgar says: I'm mixed on that one.
Shamgar says: You are only going to get one type of viewpoint that way I
think.
Emrys says: we don't have a large enough quality sample size to do that
kind of thing with this
Galeck says: my big concern is how we would choose the members of the team
Galeck says: ok... so maybe we don't like that
Galeck grins.
Freya says: I'd like to see anyone who has x number of quest points be able to
apply to rank them somehow
Shamgar nods at you.
Shamgar says: that's not a bad idea.
Xnvren says: we looking at something like the oscar committee ?
Shamgar says: I would pick a number that requires them to have done at
least one large quest.
Duo shouts: where is everybody ...ody ...ody ...ody
Xnvren says: for best player killing quest award... the nominees are:
Shamgar says: or a lot of little ones.
Shamgar hehs.
Shamgar says: Emrys!
Shamgar says: well, maybe not quest.
Shamgar says: but best player killing.
Shamgar snickers.
Xnvren throws his head back and cackles.
Galeck says: apply to be accepted, or apply as a formality?
Galeck says: Freya?
Freya shrugs.
Emrys says: galeck i was talking to shamgar with the last comment
Galeck goes 'ah'.
Galeck says: ok
Freya says: I'd like to see more requirements than just qp, but I don't know
what they'd be
Galeck nods at you.
Emrys says: entertain us with limericks
Xnvren boggles at the concept.
Xnvren says: requirements for wizing ?
Freya laughs.
Galeck says: we're getting into dangerous subjectiveness
Shamgar hehs.
Galeck says: "blah blah didn't accept me because I don't agree with them!"
Duo arrives.
Duo goes 'ah'.
Xnvren hmms.
Freya says: I think we can agree we don't want to play favorites, but we do
want to have those who can give useful ratings
Duo says: wrong place smile
Galeck says: requirements for being on the committee, xnvren
Baldur whispers something to Duo.
Mouse agrees with you.
Xnvren says: how about the top quest earners from each guild?
Xnvren says: that play on a current basis of course
Duo says: what did i miss whats the current topic?
Xnvren says: with anyone else over a certain ammount being able to put
something in as well
Xnvren says: say... 5000 qp
Xnvren grins.
Galeck says: I like Freya's idea, which would include Xnvren's
Heraclitus says: i would think that you would have to ask for volunteers
and pretty much take what you could get...
Duo says: ?
Galeck nods at Heraclitus.
Freya says: and of course we want to include those players who actually want
to do it
Galeck says: we're discussing quest ratings, Duo
Galeck says: other than monster bashing
Baldur whispers something to Duo.
Xnvren says: ya, its going to be hard to get a volunteer from the
adventurers guild to sit in
Xnvren laughs out loud.
Duo says: im assumeing i shouldnt be here then so i'll see you later...
Duo leaves north.
Xnvren boggles at the concept.
Shamgar hrms.
Shamgar says: I like that idea.
Duo arrives.
Galeck says: I'm telling him
Xnvren says: ok
Duo looks drunk.
Emrys says: mostly i don't want people who are cheating for their high qp.
Duo looks drunk.
Duo says: well one quest hate is the yahtzee quest its unreasonable to get
500
Xnvren says: those being "watched" ?
Baldur giggles.
Galeck says: shall we just ask for volunteers, and not require points?
Duo looks drunk.
Xnvren says: I guess that means Venomchaos can't be on the committee eh ?
Xnvren throws his head back and cackles.
Emrys says: no...I think requiring points is the start toward getting
people that like to quest
Emrys snickers at Xnvren.
Baldur says: or people who cheat...
Heraclitus says: well realistically, there are only 2 or three people that
have done all of the quests and would actually be able to do a relative
comparison...
Duo seems to fall, but takes a step and recovers.
Xnvren says: who? Galeck and Drtsubo ?
Baldur says: or people who are so good that their opion is unrepresntative
of the majority
Galeck says: but I think 5 or 600 qps is more than enough to have a good
opinion
Duo says: oh yeah a good idea for lower quests and i saw this in earthbound
maybe you should place hint stands where you buy hints for quests...
Galeck says: there are 5 or 6 above 1000 now
Heraclitus says: drtsubo, kitty, not sure about galeck *poke* ;)
Freya says: I don't think we need to have just people who have solved all the
quests
Emrys says: I don't think they need to have done all of them really.
Baldur says: s/opion/opinion
Duo seems to fall, but takes a step and recovers.
Heraclitus says: if they havent solved them all, how can they rate them?
Galeck says: Baldur makes a good point
Freya says: I think maybe we should require that people have done a range of
quests, some low, some high, and some mid-level
Duo says: what baldur?
Freya says: they can rate without ranking
Mouse says: how about enough qp for lev 19?
Duo hiccups.
Xnvren says: how about styles being on the committee ?
Xnvren says: puzzle solving fans,  bashers...
Heraclitus says: and what would the rating mean again, exactly?
Baldur says: how many reratings up has there been compared to reratings
down?
Xnvren says: people who dont like ANY hints in an area
Duo says: hrm.. well i gotta go i got tests tomorrow bye all
Emrys says: We're seriously losing focus here.
Duo left the game.
Galeck says: for now, lets stick to who should be on the committee
Freya says: Shall we go to raising hands and letting Galeck moderate?
Galeck says: then go to the other stuff
Galeck says: I think we can do it if we stay on topic until a decision is
made, 1 point at a time
Baldur says: so you have decided it is gonna be a committee?
*Baldur shuts up
Galeck says: do you not like that, Baldur?
Galeck says: go ahead, that's on topic :)
Shamgar agrees with Baldur too.
Baldur says: Not sure.. Not convinced yet but it's certainly better than
nothing ;)
Galeck nods at Baldur.
Xnvren relaxes with Baldur.
Xnvren laughs out loud.
Baldur hehs.
Galeck grins at Xnvren.
Shamgar says: I don't think we want all the people who breeze through every
new quest that pops up ranking quests on difficulty/etc.
Xnvren says: was trying to get a list of b's
Galeck nods.
Xnvren hmms.
Galeck says: I KNOW I'm biased with my style
Nietzsche arrives.
Nietzsche hehs.
Xnvren grins.
Baldur says: that's what my point about the up/down ratings was about.. I
guess you have more people complaining about quests being too hard than
being too easy...
Shamgar waves at Nietzsche.
Mouse waves at Nietzsche.
Xnvren nods.
Xnvren says: thats ALWAYS the case
Nietzsche says: someone die?
Xnvren says: well... there IS the orc slayer
Galeck says: yes, but that's not what this meeting is about
Galeck grins.
Shamgar says: not yet
Shamgar grins evilly at Nietzsche.
Galeck says: so Baldur:
Baldur says: so, if you only have people who have done a lot of quests on
the committee, you won't have the "too hard" viewpoint accurately
represented
Emrys says: Well statistically you always have more people complaining than
praising or giving constructive feedback.
Xnvren hmms.
Galeck says: what would you suggest being the criteria?
Emrys says: Especially in the US.
Baldur shurgs.
Galeck nods at Emrys.
Xnvren grins.
Galeck says: I think they should be at LEAST Eternal
Galeck says: 350 seems reasonable to me
Nietzsche says: hm.  i think they should simply be old
Galeck says: if not too little
Emrys says: That's not a trite statement, that's based on user feedback
studies, heh.
Heraclitus raises his wing (hand)
Baldur says: yeah... if you did have a committee tho, I guess people would
have to say that they thought the difficulty was right, not just say if
they thought it was wrong....
Xnvren hehs.
Galeck says: go ahead hera
Heraclitus says: perhaps we could have tiers? with lower folks rating lower
quests, and so on?
Freya says: Baldur, just to clarify, we're talking about adding some more
rankings besides points and stars to quests
Galeck nods at you.
Freya says: not necessarily about having players go through and change the
number of points on quests
Baldur says: yeah.. But I presume with that the current ratings would be
more specific, as now they have to cover everything...
Shamgar hrms.
Galeck says: I'm trying to determine how you could implement your idea
Hera... can you give us any more?
Shamgar says: I would have to disagree with Hera.
Galeck says: I want to hear more before I make up my mind
Baldur says: but, a quest could be very high on one scale and low on
another
Shamgar says: A lower level player isn't likely to have enough experience
to be able to form accurate opinions about quest difficulty/quality/etc.
Galeck nods at Baldur.
Galeck says: that's the idea
Xnvren says: right, it takes awhile to get all the tricks down
Galeck says: people can choose quests based on their favorite category
Nietzsche says: what are we trying to rate?  difficulty, funness, something
else?
Xnvren says: we are trying to figure out HOW we rate
Xnvren throws his head back and cackles.
Freya nods at Nietzsche.
Galeck says: BUT, if people KNOW it's a low level player making the
ranking..
Heraclitus says: well i was thinking that folks that have 1000+ qpts
probabaly might have some trouble remembering if  some quests that they
completed 4 years ago, are funner/harder/easier than others...
Galeck agrees with Heraclitus.
Baldur nods at Heraclitus.
Nietzsche says: ok.  i suggest having multiple categories then.  a
different rating for each one.  puzzle difficulty, funness, bashing
Shamgar says: well, maybe in another situation, but most of those people
have multiple chars.
Shamgar says: so it hasnt' been that long.
Freya says: Niet, we're considering ranking things like fun, puzzles,
exploring, etc.
Heraclitus says: and if you had low/mid/high tiers, you could have low mid
high players, and the quests might be more fresh in their collective
minds...
Galeck says: yes, Niet... right now we're trying to figure out who would
decide these things, primarily
Shamgar says: You know galeck, it might be good to decide on the new
categories and how they will be ranked.  At this point it sounds like that
might have an effect on how we go about obtaining the ratings.
Freya raises her hand in response to Hera.
Galeck says: I can see that Sham... go ahead, Freya
Heraclitus says: i yeild the floor
Nietzsche says: how about a machine that tallies votes only from someone
who finished the quest they are vogint on?
Baldur says: how about they all start at the same level and you can vote
once for each thing to lower or raise it..?
*Mouse raises a paw.
Freya says: I think to deal with that issue we could allow people to not rate
every quest
Galeck says: I think the hand raising will have to happen at this point
Galeck says: too many ideas being thrown together all at once
Nietzsche raises his hand then.
Galeck says: go ahead Mouse
Galeck hopes Freya was done.
Mouse says: I like the idea of letting anyone who has completed the quest
rate it, but would add a multiplier based on total qp that character has
accumulated.
Freya says: if you understood how that would apply
Freya shrugs.
Freya grins.
Galeck says: go ahead, Niet
Nietzsche says: 2 points
Nietzsche says: we are interested in rating quests accurately, so it seems
clear to only allow input from somene who has solved it
Baldur raises an eyebrow.
Baldur acks.
Nietzsche says: 2nd.  i don't see any reason to only accept views from ppl
who are good at questing.  it seems clear we want consensus
Nietzsche says: and the ppl who have problems count too
*Xnvren raises his hand.
Nietzsche says: done
Galeck says: go baldur
Galeck :-)s.
Baldur says: I agree with Miet's second point but not his first
Nietzsche says: well how can you compare a quest's ratings accurately if
you haven't solved it?  that was my 1st point
Baldur says: if it is a hard quest, only accepting people who have
completed it will limit it to people who are good at questing... Umm..
Galeck says: yes, Baldur.. that's what I was waiting for
Galeck goes 'ah'.
Xnvren hmms.
Galeck says: Xnvren?
Xnvren says: oh right
Xnvren says: is there going to be a salary cap on the quest points ?
Galeck kicks Xnvren.
Galeck grins.
Xnvren says: as far as the MAX possible qp's available for any quest?
Galeck says: oh
Galeck grins.
Xnvren says: makes it much easier when rating
Galeck says: I thought you were just screwing around
Xnvren says: I remember one summer kiz's quest was worth around 80 qp
Xnvren shakes his head.
Galeck says: qps are pretty much going to remain administratively decided
Galeck says: the only thing up for change are really the other options
Galeck says: which I'd like to get into
Galeck says: change of topics:
Xnvren nods.
Galeck says: what would we like rated?
Galeck says: so far we have said:
Galeck says: funness,
Galeck says: puzzle solving,
Galeck says: difficulty
Galeck says: were there any that I forgot?
Freya says: exploring
Galeck nods at you.
Galeck says: thank you
Heraclitus rejoined the game.
Xnvren says: right, SIZE of the area
Nietzsche left the game.
Heraclitus says: i was wondering why you got so quiet ;)
Xnvren throws his head back and cackles.
Galeck says: mouse wanted to mention guild stuff, as well
Baldur says: "fun" to a basher would be one with lots of bashing... Fun to
a puzzle-solver would be one with lots of puzzles... Difficult to a basher
would be one with lots of puzzles, and vice versa... Fun and difficult are
too subjective I think, whereas exploring and bashing are more
quantitive....
Galeck says: how it affects individual guilds
Freya says: I think exploring would include both size of area and how much
depth of looking at everything in every room, searching, etc.
Galeck nods at you.
Galeck nods at Baldur.
Baldur smiles at you.
Galeck says: both good points
Xnvren says: hmm...
Shamgar says: bashing will still be in there, so bashing/difficulty
shouldn't conflict.
Shamgar says: (I assume)
Xnvren says: what about lucifers newland area?  Its HUGE with no depth.
Freya shrugs.
Xnvren says: but dont tell him I said that
Freya says: you'd take that into account
Xnvren throws his head back and cackles.
Baldur says: I like the bashing, but I think overall difficulty is the
point of the qp rating
Galeck says: ok... let me throw this out
Shamgar says: We should be carefull here.  If we get /too/ specific you end
up giving hints about the quest.
Galeck says: I think exploring and difficulty to me are the same thing... I
think exploring is a better choice of words
Freya raises a hand.
Galeck says: that way the monster bashing remains just that
Galeck says: monster bashing in and of itself
Galeck says: go ahead, Freya
Freya says: ok, I think right now we have an overall 'difficulty' ranking
which we call quest points
Wierdo strides in.
Wierdo salutes Emrys with his champion's blade and executes a courtly bow.
Galeck nods at you.
Baldur agrees with you.
Galeck says: good point
Baldur says: that's what I just said :}
Wierdo says: what be going on? I hearde there was a meeting?
Freya says: and I think in general we have three components that make up the
difficulty of a quest, those being killing, exploring, and puzzle solving
Wierdo says: hrmmme
Baldur says: command guessing
Baldur giggles.
Freya says: command guessing shouldn't be an aspect of the difficulty of the
quest
Freya says: it should be an aspect of the quality of the quest
Baldur hehs.
Freya says: if a quest is well-written, you shouldn't have to do a lot of
command guessing
Galeck says: I want to add something quickly about command guessing
Wierdo says: well, Methinks quests shoulde be more for charactere
enhancemente, then to get thy levele uppe... like, thou shoulde be able to
do a quest for a certaine powere, or weapone, or something
Baldur says: but is there going to be a rating for that? Or do you have to
just complain until it gets fixed, like I did? :}
Freya says: anyway...for example, if you have to get together three items to
do a quest, and they're in a small area and not hard to find, but how you
have to make them work together is tricky, then puzzle-solving is high, but
exploring is low
Galeck says: basically, yes, Baldur :)
Galeck agrees with you.
Galeck says: I like her 3 topics
Baldur nods.
Galeck says: I'm on a committee (wizard committee) to fix syntax problems
Galeck says: it's definitely better than ever before
Galeck says: but we can still improve
Xnvren leaves north.
Xnvren arrives.
Baldur smiles.
Xnvren says: gotta go
Xnvren grins.
Xnvren waves.
Xnvren leaves north.
Wierdo says: I woulde also like to see more puzzle oriented quests then
slaying quests... brain powere, not brawn ;)
Galeck says: how does anyone feel about putting up comments discussing
guild-related aspects?
Baldur says: don't understand...
Galeck says: well, certain guilds would have a harder time doing some
quests than other
Galeck says: s
Freya raises a hand.
Baldur goes 'ah'.
Galeck says: go ahead Freya
Mouse says: might be too specific, but stuff like need to be able to
wield/wear, items that dest when dropped, etc.
Wierdo says: like, an interesting quest mighte be... a quest to finde all
ye knowne alcohole in ye realms... thou get like, 5 quest points per everye
10 beverages thou finde... like, thou woulde hath a punche carde, and go to
all ye bars, and get it punched ;)
Baldur nods at Mouse.
Freya says: from a wizardly perspective, I think that could give away a fair
bit of info
Freya says: that's all I have to say on the subject
Galeck says: we can discuss new quest ideas and such at another time, I
think :)
Wierdo says: awwe... nay fun
Galeck winks at Wierdo.
Wierdo says: I woulde not evene minde coding something like that
Galeck says: just ratings for this meeting
Baldur whispers something to Wierdo.
Freya sighs at a burn on her arm.
Wierdo whispers something to Baldur.
Galeck says: I personally agree wtih Freya
Galeck says: anyone else have a different opinion?
Wierdo whispers something to Baldur.
Wierdo shakes his head.
Heraclitus says: brb
Heraclitus leaves north.
Wierdo says: Methinks freya hast goode ideas
Baldur whispers something to Wierdo.
Galeck says: ok... I really like Freya's ideas are the best
Baldur hehs.
Shamgar raises his hand.
Mouse says: me too, fwiw
Galeck says: go ahead sham
Wierdo whispers something to Baldur.
Freya raises her hand about other categories.
Galeck says: I think they are, too
Galeck grins.
Shamgar says: How about an intuition rating.  Some quests seem to require
you to either think like the person who wrote it or just to know something
in general.
Shamgar says: to be psychic in other words.
Wierdo says: true
Shamgar says: can't really give examples here but I'm sure you knwo what I
mean.
Heraclitus circles briefly overhead, and drops to a gentle landing. His wings fold behind his back.
Galeck nods.
Wierdo says: some quests need bettere hints
Baldur whispers something to Wierdo.
Baldur nods.
Shamgar says: (and intuition sounds better than stupidism on a rating
system.)
Shamgar snickers.
Galeck says: for those that just arrived, if we can stick to raising hands,
the meeting will probably go more smoothly
Galeck smiles.
Galeck says: go ahead, Freya
Baldur says: like command guessing but kinda different... That's kinda what
I meant before
Wierdo whispers something to Baldur.
Galeck nods at Baldur.
Shamgar says: if the commands aren't intuitive that's definately a bug.
Shamgar says: Sometimes the intuition stuff are that way cause the author
wanted it that way.
Wierdo says: so, perhaps bettere play testing?
Freya says: I think in addition to the difficulty rating categories, we could
have more subjective quality/fun categories
Galeck says: no
Baldur says: yeah.. But lateral thinking isn't a bug.. And sometimes you
just have to guess...
Galeck says: we have the best play testers anywhere
Galeck grins.
Freya says: like atmosphere of the area, cohesion of the story line, etc
Baldur nods at you.
Galeck says: what categories would you like to see, Freya?
Galeck says: I've liked what you've had to say so far
Galeck grins.
Heraclitus says: problem is if the story line is good, and the quest
logical, its deemed too easy ...
Wierdo says: also, coulde not some quests be for variable quest points,
based upone what was, or was not done?
Freya says: maybe those two plus...how self-contained it is, i.e. can you find
all the info you need for the quest within the quest, or do you have to
either guess or go read a book
Freya says: anyone else have thoughts on that line?
Galeck says: I have something to say real quickly
Wierdo says: well, verily, if thou hath to go outside ye quest area (if
there be one... twoflowere comes to minde...) mighte be deemed hardere then
one that be all in 1 place
Galeck says: right now, I'm concerned about implementation of this
Shamgar says: that would fall under exploring Wierdo.
Wierdo nods.
Galeck says: if we have too many categories, it might get too complicated
Freya nods.
Wierdo says: yuppe, exploratione shoulde be a factore
Freya says: I think half a dozen or fewer would be manageable myself, but
others should certainly speak up about that
Galeck says: I think exploration covers many aspects
Wierdo agrees.
Emrys says: later
Emrys waves.
Galeck says: including whether the items are all inclusive
Baldur says: if anyone is *required* to answer too many questions, the
results will be less accurate....
Emrys disintegrates into a pile of ashes which the wind quickly blows away.
Galeck nods at Baldur.
Galeck says: what were your original 3, Freya?
Freya says: exploration, bashing, and puzzle solving
Galeck is on his crappy computer with little to no scrollback.
Galeck nods.
Wierdo says: well, not all quests art bashing
Galeck says: that's why we have ratings, Weirdo
Wierdo says: for example: yahtzee
Baldur says: rating for luck lol
Wierdo says: true
Galeck grins.
Galeck says: ok
Wierdo says: yahtzee thou need a lot of luck
Galeck says: here's what _I_ think, based on what's been said so far
Galeck says: rating for exploration, which includes things like whether the
quest is all in one place
Wierdo nods.
Baldur nods.
Galeck says: rating for puzzle solving, which includes levels of searching,
and looking at EVERYTHING in the room, and actual puzzles
Galeck says: and stick with the monster bashing as it is, but allow for
more people to have input, rather than what it is now
Wierdo says: also non-intuiitive things shoulde fall in that categorye
Galeck nods at Wierdo.
Freya says: you think the searching/looking at everything would be in puzzle
solving instead of exploring?
Baldur hmms.
Baldur shakes his head.
Wierdo says: well, it couldst be in bothe... searching mayst be puzzle
related
Galeck says: I think searching is more exploration, actually... just wasn't
thinking ;)
Freya nods.
Galeck says: but I think the people deciding could determine how THEY
personally feel
Wierdo says: well, depends on what thou art searching for... and be it
parte of a puzzle? like, a crowne that needs to be assembled
Freya says: puzzle solving to me is the thinking/putting together the pieces
part
You shrug.
Galeck says: sometimes searching is more like a puzzle
Wierdo says: in a certaine order
Galeck nods.
Galeck nods at you.
Baldur nods at you.
Baldur says: not much of that around afaics
Galeck says: yeah... and the committee could each individually decide
Wierdo says: well... 'tis kinda a greye area
Freya nods at Galeck.
Galeck says: which category has what rating
Galeck lags.
Wierdo comforts Galeck.
Freya says: I think we can have a definition for what the category means in
general, but the committee can figure out how that works out in practice
Freya shrugs.
Wierdo agrees with you.
Galeck rejoined the game.
Galeck says: sorry
Freya smacks her forehead screaming, "D'oh!"
Wierdo comforts Galeck.
Galeck says: I didn't see anything after Baldur's comment
Galeck says: the one that ended afaics
Baldur says: *162:162*> 
Baldur says: Galeck says: yeah... and the committee could each individually
decide
Baldur says: Wierdo says: well... 'tis kinda a greye area
Baldur says: Freya nods at Galeck.
Baldur says: Galeck says: which category has what rating
Baldur says: Galeck lags.
Baldur says: Autosave.
Baldur says: Wierdo comforts Galeck.
Baldur says: Freya says: I think we can have a definition for what the
category means in
Baldur says: general, but the committee can figure out how that works out
in practice
Baldur says: Freya shrugs.
Baldur says: Wierdo agrees with Freya.
Baldur says: Galeck rejoined the game.
Baldur says: Galeck says: sorry
Wierdo says: 
Galeck says: ok
Galeck says: thank you
Heraclitus smiles.
Wierdo nods.
Galeck says: I agree with Freya on all of that
Galeck says: any other input?
Freya lafs.
Freya says: you're so agreeable
Baldur hehs.
Galeck says: and you're so right ;)
Wierdo says: not on that subjecte
Heraclitus says: I also agree
Galeck says: ok... so now that we know HOW it will be rated, WHO will rate
is the question we need to return to
Freya says: did we decide about atmosphere type categories?
Galeck says: oops
Galeck says: yes... let's add that, to
Galeck says: too
Baldur says:  well we know _what_, but we don't know _how_.. but that comes
after _who_...
Wierdo says: well, I am not a wizard, so I hath nay clue how ye existing
systeme works
Galeck says: I think that, to me, is the FUNNESS factor
Galeck says: but atmosphere is better
Freya shrugs.
Baldur nods at Galeck.
Gyroscopic arrives.
Freya says: yeah, that whole ball of wax
Galeck says: ok... bashing, exploration, puzzle solving, atmosphere
Galeck says: I'll deal with the how, we need the who ;)
Baldur hehs.
Galeck says: please raise your hands
Wierdo says: ye playtesters?
Galeck says: if you have suggestions to add to what we've already
discussed, now that we know what's being judged
Heraclitus raises his wing...
Galeck says: ok... let me throw this out for discussion
Galeck says: after hera
Galeck grins.
Galeck says: go ahead Hera
Heraclitus says: sorry i was just going to restate my position that only
the highest quest point players, rate...
Galeck nods.
Galeck says: I was actually going to say that...
Galeck says: so far:
Galeck says: the suggestions were:
Galeck says: highest qps
Galeck says: anyone with a certain number of qps
Wierdo says: well, Methinks it also maye be playtestere shoulde hath some
input too
Galeck says: top guild players (qp wise)
Galeck says: and the tier idea
Heraclitus raises his wing...
Freya says: Wierdo!  Figure out where your hands are, man!
Freya grins.
Galeck says: which lets different people rate at different levels
Wierdo says a prayer on bended knee.
Galeck says: go ahead, Hera
Wierdo makes the sign of the cross.
Heraclitus says: i would like to withdraw the tier idea, as it it probably
going to be too difficult to gain that many volunteers...
Wierdo giggles.
*Wierdo raises his sword.
Freya says: you know, we should be logging this meeting
Wierdo agrees with you.
Galeck says: I think it also undermines the current suggestions
Galeck grins.
Galeck says: I was going to
Galeck says: then half way through, I remembered I have the crappy computer
Galeck says: go ahead wierdo
Wierdo comforts Galeck.
Wierdo says: well, it shouldst be this waye, Methinks:
Wierdo says: playtesters shoulde rate it firste... then, once ye area or
quest gets approved....
Shamgar hehs.
Freya says: well, I've got the last 1000 lines of it anyway
Shamgar assumed Galeck was logging it.
Baldur hmms.
Krona shouts: later dr
Wierdo says: furthere input and refinemente from players coulde be allowed
Shamgar says: you should mention these things.
Wierdo says: I meane, how else doth thou rate an unapproved area/quest?
'it could just be unrated to start with
Freya says: it could just be unrated to start with
shrug
Freya shrugs.
Wierdo says: yet then 'tis zero quest points, because 'tis unrated?
Galeck rejoined the game.
Galeck says: baldur, can you help again
Galeck sighs.
'we're still going to have the admin decide the qest points
Freya says: we're still going to have the admin decide the qest points
'quest points
Freya says: quest points
Wierdo says: yet, that maye be juste for new quests... ye olde quests mayst
be rated by players
Baldur shrugs.
'that's going to stay as it is
Freya says: that's going to stay as it is
Baldur says: with what?
Galeck says: last thing I heard was MEthinks
Galeck says: :
Baldur goes 'ah'.
Baldur says: Wierdo says: playtesters shoulde rate it firste... then, once
ye area or
Baldur says: quest gets approved....
Baldur says: Shamgar hehs.
Baldur says: Freya says: well, I've got the last 1000 lines of it anyway
Baldur says: Shamgar assumed Galeck was logging it.
Baldur says: hmm
Baldur says: You hmm.
Baldur says: *162:162*> 
Baldur says: Krona shouts: later dr
Baldur says: Wierdo says: furthere input and refinemente from players
coulde be allowed
Baldur says: Shamgar says: you should mention these things.
Baldur says: Wierdo says: I meane, how else doth thou rate an unapproved
area/quest?
Baldur says: Freya says: it could just be unrated to start with
Baldur says: Freya shrugs.
Baldur says: Wierdo says: yet then 'tis zero quest points, because 'tis
unrated?
Baldur says: Galeck rejoined the game.
Galeck says: ok
Galeck says: thanks
Wierdo nods.
Galeck says: I personally
Galeck says: was going to suggest what Weirdo said
Galeck says: the playtesters rate monsterbashing currently
Baldur raises his fists.
Wierdo says: shoulde there be a seperate systeme for olde and new quests?
yes...
Galeck says: and I think could do well to give an initial rating
Galeck says: for new quests
Galeck says: go ahead baldur
Baldur says: But then, who becomes the playtesters?...
Galeck says: oh
Galeck says: sorry
Galeck says: there's a wizard committee that does the testing
Galeck says: before new quests go in
Galeck says: I'm a part of that committee
Galeck says: we give the quest it's points and monster bashing stars
Baldur says: they all have to look at each quest?
Galeck says: and check for bugs and clarity
Wierdo says: I was gonna saye, I thoughte we alreadye had playtesters?
Galeck says: a number of us look at NEW quests and areas
Galeck says: before they go in
Wierdo nods.
Wierdo says: yuppe
Baldur hmms.
Galeck says: and repair old ones when necessary
Wierdo says: thoughte there alreadye was a committee
Galeck says: we're called qc... quality control
Baldur goes 'ah'.
Wierdo nods.
Galeck says: so I was saying WE could do the initial rating for new quests
Baldur says: kinda different to what "playtesters" suggests
Galeck says: and allow for input once the quests are solved by members of
the 'team'
Baldur nods at Galeck.
Galeck says: now that that's clear, how do we feel about that?
Wierdo says: and refinemente to ye initiale rating, if 'tis wronge
Galeck says: because I personally think even some of the current monster
bashing could stand to be looked at again
Baldur nods thrice at Galeck.
Galeck says: anyone disagree with doing it this way before we move on to
determining requirements for the 'team'?
Heraclitus says: im sorry but i have to go now...
Heraclitus left the game.
Wierdo shakes his head.
Galeck says: ok
Galeck says: now, who gets on the team?
Galeck says: I personally think there should be a minimum number of qps to
be on it
nod galeck
Freya nods at Galeck.
Wierdo says: volunteers? we coulde hath people that juste volunterre
'I agree with that
Freya says: I agree with that
Galeck says: so there is a good point of reference
Baldur shakes hands with Galeck, Wierdo and himself.
Wierdo says: well, some quests maye be for newbies, like, levele 5...
Baldur acks.
Baldur slaps himself.
Wierdo salutes Baldur with his champion's blade and executes a courtly bow.
'besides that, if a person only has a few qp, they can't rate very many quests
Freya says: besides that, if a person only has a few qp, they can't rate very
many quests
Galeck nods at you.
Galeck says: hmm...
Galeck says: there are around 1200 qps available now
Wierdo says: thou woulde wante a levele 4 or 5 player to rate it... that be
whye we juste get volunteers... set uppe speciale rules juste for
playtesters
Galeck says: why would we want a level 4 or 5 player test it, Wierdo?
Wierdo says: like, not allowed to discuss it withe normale players, and
stuffe
Freya raises a hand.
Wierdo says: well, if ye quest be geared towards a newbie, thou woulde
wante a newbie to rate it
Galeck says: go ahead, Freya
Wierdo shrugs.
Freya says: Wierdo, in answer to that, I think most high level players have
several seconds
Galeck says: I understand your point, btw, wierdo
Galeck says: sorry
Wierdo nods.
Galeck says: but I agree with Freya
Wierdo says: I knowe this... yet, I hath nay seconde ;)
'and usually at least one of them is new enough to have done the newbie quests recently
Freya says: and usually at least one of them is new enough to have done the
newbie quests recently
Wierdo says: I am fairlye highe levele
'I think you're the exception rather than the rule, Wierdo
Freya says: I think you're the exception rather than the rule, Wierdo
Wierdo shrugs.
Wierdo says: I see nay pointe in multi-play
Galeck says: anyone else have an opinion on who's allowed in the 'team'?
:wonders if she dares say, "That's because you're a Wierdo!"
Freya wonders if she dares say, "That's because you're a
Wierdo!"
Wierdo throws his head back and cackles.
grin
Freya grins.
Galeck says: I don't think she should ;)
Wierdo says: of course I am ;)
Wierdo agrees with you.
Freya raises a hand.
Galeck says: go ahead freya
Freya says: Especially initially, it should be people who are willing to
commit a fair bit of time
Galeck nods at you.
Wierdo agrees.
Freya says: we have 54 quests, and that's continually increasing
Shamgar says: and people on it should be active.
Shamgar says: oop
Shamgar raises his hand.
Galeck grins.
Wierdo says: well, that be whye thou get volunteers, yet thou let them
knowe aheade of time what theye art volunteering
Galeck says: yes, Shamgar?
Wierdo says: for
Freya says: also we should keep it to not too large a group, I think
Milanion arrives.
Shamgar says: People on it should be active.  I'd say if they were inactive
for a certain amount of time they should be replaced.
Freya says: so if they want to meet and discuss, it doesn't get crazy
Shamgar nods at you.
Galeck nods at you and Shamgar.
Baldur nods at you.
Wierdo says: 1 monthe? unless theye giveth advance notice?
Milanion hiccups.
Milanion says: and what if they come back ?
Baldur high-fives himself.
Mouse says: idle, work (sorry!)
Galeck says: well, I would like to have a committee formed, then I think
they could do a nice job of coming up with criteria
Wierdo says: theye get demoted to player?
Milanion looks drunk.
Milanion says: good point
Freya peers at Wierdo.
Milanion nods at Wierdo.
Milanion says: oops, sorry
Milanion nods at Galeck.
Milanion grins wickedly.
Galeck grins at Milanion.
Freya nods at Galeck.
Wierdo says: well, Me doth sorta run anothere mud, so I hath some idea how
to do things like this
Galeck says: ok... let's put a number of qps on it, open it up for
volunteers, and get this started
Galeck says: I like 500
Milanion turns white and faints.
Milanion seems to fall, but takes a step and recovers.
Galeck says: 500 out of 1200
Freya says: I think we can start high, and lower it if we need to
Galeck says: 1200 possible
Wierdo says: 500 qp? yet 'tis onlye 425 to become a wiz...
Baldur acks.
Milanion falls down and plays dead.
Freya says: see how many we get at 500, and if we think we want more, bump it
down some?
Galeck says: ok
Galeck says: now would be the time for people to raise hands and have input
Galeck winks at Milanion, Gyroscopic, Wierdo, Mouse, Baldur, Shamgar and you.
Shamgar nods.
Galeck grins.
Milanion seems to fall, but takes a step and recovers.
Shamgar says: it's much easier to lower the number than raise it.
Baldur waves madly.
Galeck says: I threw out a number for discussion
Wierdo says: whye woulde I get 500 if I onlye need 425 to become a wiz?
Galeck smiles.
Freya bops herself on the head.
Galeck says: go baldur
Milanion boggles at Wierdo.
Wierdo says: 'tis true... my max qps art 425 ;)
Milanion looks drunk.
Galeck says: after baldur, I want to explain why I think 500 is a good
number
Milanion looks drunk.
Milanion says: dont have to wiz though
Baldur says: like weirdo says.. if you only want wizzes or eternals, make
it like that.... Or, just put a level requirement.... But, I still don't
like the idea of limiting it to very high players although I don't have a
better suggestion.
Milanion hiccups.
Shamgar's was 425 as well.
Shamgar grins.
*Milanion had his raised to 600
Galeck says: ok
Galeck says: here's why _I_ like 500
Milanion grins wickedly.
Galeck says: it means the player has done a little less than half of all
quests
Wierdo says: I saye, 'tis a volunteere positione, not a qp positione... not
everyone shalt volunteere
Galeck says: so they can do a nice job of comparing them
Shamgar raises his hand.
Galeck says: and rating them
Galeck says: better than someone who's only done 10 or 11
Galeck says: go ahead, Shamgar
Wierdo says: I meane, I woulde not wante to do it, for example... I woulde
rathere be a creator ;)
Milanion hiccups.
Shamgar says: perhaps 500 or [x lower number] and eitehr Unk's ring quest
or Kiz's quest.
Galeck says: I think that would be a good thing to ask a player who would
like to be on the team to do
*Mouse raises a hand
Milanion seems to fall, but takes a step and recovers.
Galeck says: but not make it a requirement, just highly suggested
Galeck says: go ahead mouse
Shamgar nods.
Galeck says: but that's MY opinion... sorry I threw it out of turn
Shamgar shrugs.
Shamgar says: it's your meeting.
Shamgar grins.
Milanion hehs.
*Mouse loses her train of thought.
Galeck grins.
Milanion turns white and faints.
Mouse says: go on please
Milanion falls down and plays dead.
Wierdo comforts Mouse.
Galeck says: I REALLY want to hear what Mouse has to say
Galeck grins.
Baldur comforts Mouse.
Galeck says: because this was her idea initially
Mouse lafs.
Wierdo rolls on the floor laughing.
Mouse says: cause i totally disagree with you galeck?
Baldur hehs.
Galeck says: actually, that's exactly why I'd like to hear from you
Galeck says: I'm certainly not claiming to know it all :)
Mouse says: i think 500 is way too high.  you don't need 500 qp to know
whether a quest is fun or not.
*Wierdo raises his champion's blade.
Wierdo agrees with Mouse.
Baldur nods at Mouse.
Milanion hmms.
Galeck says: good point :) but how can you compare it's funness to others
if you haven't done very many? that's my point, whether it's right or wrong
Milanion says: thats all objective
Galeck says: go ahead, Wierdo
Mouse says: second, with regards to old players, a quest point number is
disingenious.
Galeck says: then I want Mouse to respond to me
Galeck smiles.
Galeck says: or I'll let mouse finish
Freya nods at Mouse.
Galeck says: sorry
Wierdo says: well, from my running of a mud... verye few people shalt wante
to be playtesters... because of ye restrictions, as in, nay player
interactione, and othere things...
Galeck says: we're actually not asking for playtesters
Mouse says: excellent point galeck, i suppose i am seeing this as an
informal rating, as compared to the more official monster bashing, and
perhaps you are seeing on the level as the monster stuff?
Galeck says: just people who want to rate quests
Wierdo says: yet ye few who wante to do it, shalt wante to do it because
theye wante to... quest raters art almoste ye same as playtesters... theye
art playtesting ye quest, yes?
Galeck says: ok... let's do this... I want to clear up a few things
Freya shakes her head at Wierdo.
Galeck says: then finish up
Wierdo says: ok
Galeck says: I was looking at it being more like the monster stuff, yes,
Mouse
Galeck says: rather than informal
Galeck says: I see where you were thinking now
Wierdo says: how about... juste a levele 19 requiremente? for ye rating
then?
Galeck says: and then as far as what wierdo's been saying
Galeck says: we want people to solve quests and rate them, nothing
special... people who are willing to put their opinions out there for
scrutiny by the 'team'
Galeck says: nothing else
Wierdo nods.
Galeck says: that's the way I was looking at this
Freya raises a hand.
Wierdo says: ok, so eache quest mayst like, hath a quest boarde to poste
opinions about?
Mouse says: hate to harp, but i'm coming back to weighted average
Galeck says: go ahead, Freya
Baldur whispers something to Mouse.
Milanion rolls his eyes.
Wierdo says: thou maye put input on ye boarde, onlye if thou hath solved
it?
Emrys assembles himself out of some spare molecules in the air.
Galeck says: just a second, Wierdo :)
'I'm wondering about maybe adding a general 'funness' ballot box anyone can use to rate quests, having done them or not, and that info would be available to the committee members to help them rate things?
Freya says: I'm wondering about maybe adding a general 'funness' ballot box
anyone can use to rate quests, having done them or not, and that info would
be available to the committee members to help them rate things?
*Wierdo nogs.
Milanion says: Emrys, did you bring a big mop ?
Gauss is.
Milanion grins wickedly.
Emrys raises an eyebrow.
Wierdo says: that coulde worke
Gauss wasn't.
Freya says: that would allow anyone to give some input, but put the main
ratings in the hands of those with more experience
Wierdo salutes Emrys with his champion's blade and executes a courtly bow.
Galeck says: I like that
Baldur hmms.
Baldur says: didn't I suggest that ages ago?
Galeck says: have a committee in charge, and allow for input from ANYONE
Wierdo nods.
Galeck says: if you did, I missed it
Shamgar nods.
Galeck grins at Baldur.
Wierdo says: well, it mighte be bettere if ye persone hast actuallye done
ye quest...
Milanion agrees.
'a ballot box like that would note whether or not the person had done the quest on their ballot
Freya says: a ballot box like that would note whether or not the person had
done the quest on their ballot
Galeck says: sorry, that's what I meant
Milanion says: otherwise you get a bunch of "I hate this quest cause I
can't solve it"
Wierdo says: how maye thou hath input, if thou hath ne'er done it?
Wyndalen appears in a flash of light.
Galeck says: yes to Freya again
Galeck grins.
Milanion hmms.
Galeck says: you're gonna suggest yourself right in charge of this, Freya
;)
Milanion throws his head back and cackles evilly.
Wyndalen waves at everyone and tries not to be spammy.
Freya lafs.
Wierdo salutes Wyndalen with his champion's blade and executes a courtly bow.
Shamgar raises his hand.
Galeck says: does that help with what you wanted, Mouse?
Emrys says: how can you not have input if you're unable to solve it?
Galeck says: then Shamgar
Freya nods at Emrys.
Milanion says: easy
Shamgar says: That's why the committee evaluates the information.  Frankly,
I can tell you you don't have to solve a quest to know it bites.
Milanion says: i.e. :
Baldur says: I was thinking (didn't explain very well) anyone can
vote/whatever that whichever rating for whichever quest is too high, and
then the wizzes have to look at that stuff every so often and report
back/make changes...
Milanion says: I cant do this quest, its hard, dont try it.
Mouse says: getting there :-)  i think i represent the minority view
anyway.
Milanion grins wickedly.
Mouse says: how about the old qp/old player thing?
Shamgar says: Though I agree that you'll get a lot of whining, you just
have to sift through that and look for valid complaints.
Wierdo nods at Shamgar.
Galeck says: can you explain that to me, Mouse?
Freya says: holy explosion of noise, batman
Galeck nods at you.
Wierdo says: I meane, I coulde complaine yahtzee was too toughe, yet heye,
it mighte be fun for some people ;)
Milanion says: I dont grok that one, cant find any clues except for "roll
dice"
Wierdo throws his head back and cackles.
Milanion hehs.
Freya says: Milanion, I think your comments agreed instead of disagreed with
Emrys'
Wierdo says: and boggle...
Deon waddles into the room.
Wierdo boggles at the concept.
Freya says: read how many negatives he had there again
Deon waves at Wyndalen, Emrys, Milanion, Galeck, Gyroscopic, Wierdo, Mouse,
Baldur, Shamgar and you.
Galeck says: you there mouse?
Milanion grins wickedly.
Wierdo salutes Deon with his champion's blade and executes a courtly bow.
Baldur hehs.
Milanion laughs out loud.
Milanion says: deon the duck
Galeck says: still waiting for her to respond, I want to try to answer all
concerns
Deon nods.
Mouse says: Well, I think qp as scored by the game aren't necessairly an
accurate measure of what a player knows about quests.  Perhaps measure by
qps for quests that are currently on the game, instead.  I guess I'm
thinking of Kalimus and how I pretty much don't know crap for the current
quests :-)
Galeck goes 'ah'.
Milanion turns white and faints.
Freya nods at Mouse.
Mouse says: and freya agrees!
Freya grins.
*Wierdo bungee jumps off of freya's pants!
Milanion snickers.
Freya says: not criticizing you, just saying it's true that how many qp a
person has now doesn't necessarily indicate how good a questor they are
Mouse nods at Freya.
Galeck goes 'ah'.
Freya ponders what Emrys might do to Wierdo.
Mouse says: yes, i totally agree, especially old characters
Galeck says: ok
Wyndalen hehs at Wierdo.
Wierdo shrugs.
Milanion says: heh isnt that the truth
Galeck says: let me throw this out, then wrap up
Galeck grins.
Baldur says: and cheaters
Milanion looks innocent.
Galeck says: how do we determine, then, without being too subjective?
Galeck says: who will be on the team?
Freya says: cheaters hopefully get enough qp deducted
Emrys raises an eyebrow.
Emrys says: I'll thank you to leave her pants alone.
Milanion says: how about Hyrl leading up that group ?
Wyndalen throws his head back and cackles.
Galeck says: without using a certain number of qps
Milanion grins wickedly.
Wierdo says: make more quests that art cheat-proofe... like, solitaire
Milanion says: tell that to lucifer
Milanion snickers.
Wierdo says: 'tis impossible to cheat ye solitaire quest ;)
Deon quacks: solitaire is not cheat proof, just gotta buy the trick deck,
Deon duhs.
Emrys says: Then you lack creativity.
Wierdo says: same goes for free cell
Galeck says: I'm tired, can someone answer my question?
Galeck grins.
Freya raises a hand.
Galeck says: go ahead freya
Ulysses washes ashore wondering where he has gotten himself to this time.
Galeck says: and let me say I agree in advance
Wierdo says: as well as ye othere "game" based quests ;)
Milanion says: I'll sign my life away
Deon laughs out loud.
Mouse laughs out loud at Galeck.
Freya says: We could require certain quests, we could require a certain number
of quest points/certain quests done in the last year/two years/whatever
Wierdo salutes Ulysses with his champion's blade and executes a courtly bow.
Deon quacks: i will sign milanion's life away too
Milanion hmms.
Milanion snickers.
Freya says: We could require a certain number of quest points/quests completed
with the most recent changes to the quest
Galeck says: ok, I like the idea, but then we have to pick which ones and
how recent and all
Gyroscopic raises an eyebrow handily.
Galeck says: and that's more thought ;)
Wierdo says: fear... I woulde hath to re-solve halfe my quests?
Shamgar grins at Gyroscopic.
Galeck says: go ahead gyroscopic
Baldur hehs.
Wierdo boggles at the concept.
Shamgar says: you'd just make another char wierdo.
Gyroscopic says: ok what about using time on the game instead of qps
Shamgar grins.
Wierdo says: nay, I like myselfe... Me doth not wante to be anybodye else!!
Wierdo runs away and hides.
Galeck says: how about 350 qps (eternal) and a certain age?
Deon hmms.
Emrys disintegrates into a pile of ashes which the wind quickly blows away.
Shamgar says: bah
Milanion hehs.
Milanion says: poor shaft
Shamgar says: :raises his hand.
Milanion throws his head back and cackles evilly.
Galeck says: go ahead Shamgar
Baldur says: clans was limited to eternals and we know what happened
there....
Shamgar says: I don't think age is a good idea
Wierdo agrees with Shamgar.
Deon nods.
Mouse says: well, clans was limited to eternals who were not also wizard
seconds . . . galeck, wizards seconds included here, right?
Shamgar says: er, wiat.
Shamgar says: nm
Shamgar hehs.
Wierdo says: yet... yet... Me doth not wanna be eternal... I juste wanna be
me!! :)
Galeck nods at Mouse.
Freya raises a hand.
Shamgar says: I dunno why, I was thinking age as in how long they'd bee on
dr, not as in what their dr age is.
Shamgar smirks.
Galeck says: go ahead freya
Shamgar says: ignore me.
Mouse ignores Shamgar.
Galeck grins at Shamgar.
Galeck says: ok, if you insist
Wierdo says: wel
Freya says: We could also just ask for volunteers, see who we get, and pick
the best questors out of that
Galeck says: ok
Galeck says: I like that
Galeck says: now who will be in charge of picking?
Deon returns to a natural human form.
Galeck grins.
Wierdo says: I hath beene on DR since late 1991... yet I hath less then 11
days online time
Freya says: some people might get hurt feelings, but it's a sure way of
getting some volunteers
Baldur says: doesn't shifter guild have acceptance vote thing like that
too?
Wierdo says: so, age be not verye accurate
Deon says: shifter guild !!!
Deon blahs.
Deon says: burn them all
Mouse says: baldur, today that's more of a formality
Baldur nods at Mouse.
Wyndalen says: Then there's something wrong with you, Wierdo. ;)
Baldur says: but it could work well for this...
Wierdo says: nay, 'tis called, I hath a life
Freya says: I think we should make Mouse pick
Wyndalen giggles.
Freya grins at Mouse.
Galeck says: ok
Mouse squeaks.
Deon pats Wierdo on the head.
Milanion says: like that other mud you run ?
Milanion grins wickedly at Wierdo.
Galeck says: mouse, do you want that?
Baldur smiles at Mouse.
Wierdo nods.
Wierdo says: yuppe
Mouse says: hail no!  i'm in no postion to know what y'all wiz types know
;-)
Galeck says: I'm being very serious
Freya says: seriously, there are probably 3-4 of us who are most interested in
this, and we could get together over the list of volunteers and figure it
out
Deon leaves north.
Wierdo nods at you.
Deon scampers in.
Freya says: a wizard or two and a player or two
Baldur hmms.
Freya says: I think Mouse and Galeck both qualify for that
Galeck says: how does Mouse, War, me, and Freya sound as a core team?
Galeck says: sorry war couldn't make it tonight
Baldur says: would need sensible reasons to accept/not accept tho..
Wierdo claps his hands.
Galeck says: but he's VERY interestied
Wierdo agrees with Galeck.
Shamgar nods.
Mouse says: ok
nod
Freya nods.
Shamgar says: that sounds like a good start.
Freya says: we'd come up with some criteria
Galeck nods.
Wierdo says: cool ;)
'the handy thing about that is it puts off the actual deciding!
Freya says: the handy thing about that is it puts off the actual deciding!
Mouse laughs out loud at Freya.
Galeck says: ok..woo
Freya raises a fist into the air and yells, "WOO HOO!!"
Wierdo giggles.
Milanion leaves north.
Galeck grins.
Galeck says: I have about 5 JH parents who called me in the past hour
Galeck says: I need to call them all back
Wierdo says: well, if war says nay, aske for anothere eternal?
Freya says: ok, we must let Galeck go!
Galeck says: War will want to
Galeck grins.
Galeck says: I'm sure of it
Mouse nods.
Wierdo says: go galeck, go!!
Galeck says: I'll mail all of them and we'll get back to y'all
Mouse says: war's pretty hot about this :-)
Galeck smiles.
Wierdo nods.
Shamgar shimmers into the form of a blue-banded hawk and flies away.
Galeck says: meeting adjourned
Galeck grins.
Mouse bows before Deon, you, Ulysses, Wyndalen, Galeck, Gyroscopic, Wierdo and
Baldur.
Galeck says: thanks for coming, all